3 Responses to “Liberals & Conservatives: Hypocrites”

1. Sleeper on May 9th, 2006 8:09 am

   It’s about time someone mentioned the hypocrisy on both sides! But you for got say that pro-lifers is a neat way of saying “we believe in a culture of life, unless of course you kill someone, even though dna evidence has cleared death row inmates, or unless you’re an innocent Iraqi citizen caught in the crossfire as we bring democracy to your country, oops, sorry. Or unless your one of the millions of uninsured Americans who can’t get decent health care and end up dying from a disease that they could have survived had it been caught early, but they didn’t get regular checkups because they didn’t have insurance so now we have to pay even more to treat them before they die. In other words, once you’re out of the womb, we don’t give a damn, unless you’re a vegetable.” I like yours better Lis, it’s much shorter.

   Let’s face it; those who want to overturn Roe v. Wade are lazy. Like most everything, people don’t want to deal with the issues that lead to this problem like poverty, a lack of quality sexual education, a failure to promote contraception in High Schools, a failure of many parents to discuss sex with their children, the amount of “sex” people are exposed to on daily basis though all media and so on. They just want to make a law so they can wipe their hands, and their consciences, of the problem. We’ve outlawed illicit drugs and there’s still a problem. We tried outlawing alcohol. That turned out well, didn’t it?

   Most of us are too young to remember the horrors before Roe v. Wade.
   http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040528.html
   Why people think that is a better alternative is beyond me.

   The only thing worse than an abortion is bringing an unwanted child into the world. If the pro-lifers would focus their energy on promoting adoption and solving the underlying problems, abortions would continue to drop. Neither side should claim victory until there are no longer any abortions even though it’s still legal.

2. Sleeper on May 9th, 2006 9:08 am

   “U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says”

   Where’s the outrage about this? Why isn’t the religious right trumpeting this cause? The right wants to protect the unborn? How about starting with heath care.

   “Tinker said Japan was among a number of nations highly ranked mainly because they offer free health services for pregnant women and babies, while the United States suffers from disparities in access to health care.”

   Seems to me like some form of universal health care would actually bring us closer to a “culture of life.”

   http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parenting/05/08/mothers.index/index.html

3. TitansAFC on May 15th, 2006 5:47 pm

   Hmmm….

   I think Sleeper confuses the basic and fundamental right to live and breathe with a false idea that said right is meaningless unless accompanied by a guarantee of a certain standard of living. Suffice to say, I vehemently disagree with the premise that if one is not willing to provide the government the power and wealth (much the same thing, actually) to provide health care to all, contraception and contraception education to all, and personal wealth to all so as to eliminate poverty as we know it, that they are hypocrites for opposing the intentional genocide of our youngest children.

   —”The only thing worse than an abortion is bringing an unwanted child into the world.”—

   Quite backwards. Eugenics was bad when practiced early last century, and it is still bad. No person or society has the right to exterminate an individual simply on the basis that they are “unwanted.” Exterminating those who are an inconvenience or a burden would leave many elderly and all of the poor at the mercy of a society which measures the worth of their existence by the degree to which their providers deem them “wanted.”

   As for the pro-lifers washing their hands, you must be young indeed. Providing for children has been a must for Christian and Catholic churches for much longer than you have been alive. There was a time in this country when you could not find an orphanage or adoption center that was not run by men and women of the cloth, and funded by the tithes and donations of believers. Even today, the care provided by Christian adoption centers, orphanages, and missionaries reaches millions upon millions worldwide - hardly the constructs of people who “stop caring after birth.”

   Roe v. Wade is more than wrong on the merits of the choice/life debate, it is bad fundamental law. Overturning Roe v. Wade, incidentally, does not outlaw abortion; it makes abortion a states’ rights issue, much like the death penalty is. Criticism of the Roe decision has become pretty universal, with even many defenders conceding it is bad law while advocating its upholding based on precedent and “societal expectations of said right.” You’ll find very few people, other than the most fervent pro-choice left, who will attempt to defend the Roe decision based strictly on the law. I advise you to read the legal interpretations yourself.

   As for being a hypocrite for supporting the death penalty, I think you’re quite wrong, Lis. Though I am personally OPPOSED to the death penalty, it is not unbiblical to impose the sentence of death for heinous crimes. The Bible clearly gives examples which show that the death penalty may be used; it should be noted, however, that it does not state that we MUST impose the death penalty. Permission is there, compulsion is not. Still, executing those who have taken the lives of innocents is not inconsistent with valuing life as precious. Neither would it be inconsistent with the belief in mercy and forgiveness to imprison a violent sex offender. Certainly, the act of executing a serial murderer is not to be held in the same consideration as killing an innocent child who has committed no crime.

   That being said, I do stand against the death penalty. Death in war is inevitable; death of those already captured is not inevitable. I think it is quite unnecessary nowadays to execute those who are already incarcerated.

   I know perspective is everything in the realm of politics, and that not everyone seeks the wisdom of biblical principles to develop opinions on issues. That being said, it is still wrong to kill another innocent human being complete with their own unique DNA, heartbeat, and brainwaves, as in abortion. It is wrong to use a coathanger, and it is wrong to us RU-486. To suggest that the real interest lies in making, essentially, safer coathangers is ridiculously missing the most basic point in the argument.

   I am unsure of your HTML; if this posts as one big paragraph, please correct it if you are able.

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